{"id":1682,"date":"2008-05-29T09:44:46","date_gmt":"2008-05-29T00:44:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.debito.org\/?p=1682"},"modified":"2008-05-29T09:44:46","modified_gmt":"2008-05-29T00:44:46","slug":"nikkei-portuguese-newspaper-jornal-tudo-bem-partial-pensions-denied-nj-who-dont-pay-in-full-24-years","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/?p=1682","title":{"rendered":"Nikkei Portuguese newspaper Jornal Tudo Bem: Partial Pensions denied NJ who don’t pay in full 24 years"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Hi Blog. \u00a0Got this message from a friend, “Shinrin Woods”, who reads Portuguese (I don’t, sorry). \u00a0His translation of the points of an article (which you can find in its entirety at the bottom of the page):<\/p>\n

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Hi Debito,<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

The front page of weekly Portuguese-Language newspaper “Jornal Tudo Bem (EDITION 793 This week)” \u00a0points out to a quite disturbing issue facing many foreigners who want to collect retirement (Aposentadoria) benefits in Japan… The point is (below)<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Shakai Hoken n\u00e3o garante aposentadoria<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

http:\/\/tudobem.uol.com.br\/2008\/05\/24\/shakai-hoken-nao-garante-aposentadoria<\/a><\/p>\n

[Full article in Portuguese at the bottom of this blog entry.]<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

– If a Japanese “Citizen” pays for 25 years he gets all of it.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

– If a Japanese “Citizen” pays for 24 years he gets a little bit less.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

– If a Japanese “Citizen” pays for 10 years he gets less than half of it… Everything FAIR ENOUGH ! Deshou !<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

BUT…<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

If a Gaijin “Citizen” pays for 25 years he gets all of it.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

If a Gaijin “Citizen” pays for 24 years he gets NOTHING…<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

I have talked to some Japanese about it, but nobody could tell me if it is the reality or not.\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Do you know something about it ?\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

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COMMENT<\/strong>: \u00a0I asked Administrative Solicitor, consultant on Immigration issues, and co-author of HANDBOOK FOR NEWCOMERS, MIGRANTS, AND IMMIGRANTS<\/a> Akira Higuchi about this. \u00a0Here is his reply:<\/div>\n
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The nationality doesn’t matter if you live in Japan.\u00a0 I.e. If you have paid for 25 + years, you will be entitled to kokumin nenkin regardless of nationality. If not, you will not be entitled, this is same for Japanese.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

But there are complicated rules on how to count 25 years.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Plus there have been many changes to the laws and NJ couldn’t join the scheme in the past. I don’t know if the article is talking about this.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Also, if you are in Japan and reach 60 but haven’t paid for 25, you can keep paying the premium (nini kanyu) until you reach 70. This way you will be entitled to receive pension.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

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Thanks Akira. \u00a0I hope we can get a final clarification on this somehow–one would expect the media would double-check their data before putting something on the front page… \u00a0Arudou Debito<\/div>\n
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ARTICLE IN PORTUGUESE FOLLOWS:<\/strong><\/div>\n
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\"Comunidade\"<\/div>\n

Shakai Hoken n\u00e3o garante aposentadoria<\/h2>\n

Mesmo fazendo a contribui\u00e7\u00e3o para o plano de previd\u00eancia, brasileiros podem n\u00e3o receber o benef\u00edcio como os japoneses<\/h2>\n
por Claudio Endo<\/a><\/strong>
\n24.05.2008<\/div>\n
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Recentemente, muitos brasileiros est\u00e3o sendo inscritos nos planos de seguro social e previd\u00eancia da empresa (shakai hoken), por exig\u00eancia das f\u00e1bricas, e uma boa parte j\u00e1 contribui para o seguro nacional de sa\u00fade (kokumin kenko hoken), cuja administra\u00e7\u00e3o \u00e9 feita pelas prefeituras.<\/p>\n

Com base nisso, \u00e9 bom saber que os estrangeiros que planejam ficar definitivamente no Jap\u00e3o, de uma forma geral, n\u00e3o t\u00eam direito a receber a \u201caposentadoria incompleta\u201d, benef\u00edcio concedido para quem contribuiu por menos tempo que os 25 anos obrigat\u00f3rios. J\u00e1 os japoneses t\u00eam direito de receber essa aposentadoria.<\/p>\n

Segundo o escrit\u00f3rio do Shakai Hoken da regi\u00e3o oeste, em Hamamatsu (Shizuoka), o que faz um japon\u00eas receber a aposentadoria incompleta \u00e9 a validade do kara kikan (per\u00edodo vazio). Ou seja, o tempo que ele deixou de contribuir para a previd\u00eancia social por algum motivo. No entanto, o kara kikan n\u00e3o se aplica ao estrangeiro no per\u00edodo em que ele viveu no Jap\u00e3o, ou que ainda vai viver, sem estar inscrito no shakai hoken ou kokumin kenko hoken.<\/p>\n

Por exemplo, um brasileiro veio ao Jap\u00e3o com 20 anos e trabalhou outros 20 sem estar inscrito no seguro. Agora, aos 40, ele entra no shakai hoken e quando completar 65 anos ter\u00e1 contribu\u00eddo por 25. Nesse caso, ele ter\u00e1 direito \u00e0 aposentadoria, mas se nesse per\u00edodo de 25 anos a pessoa deixar de contribuir por algum tempo \u2013 que seja dez anos \u2013 por trabalhar em uma empresa que n\u00e3o oferecia o shakai hoken, perde o benef\u00edcio sem ter nem mesmo direito aos 15 anos que pagou.<\/p>\n

Leia mais na\u00a0edi\u00e7\u00e3o 793<\/a>\u00a0do jornal\u00a0Tudo Bem<\/strong>.<\/em><\/p>\n

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ENDS<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Nikkei Portuguese newspaper Jornal Tudo Bem put on its front page this week, according to a friend who reads Portuguese, an article stating that NJ get no partial pensions unless they pay in the full 25 years (Japanese, however, get partial pensions commensurate to a partial payment). Administrative Solicitor Akira Higuchi says that’s not the case. Very confusing–let’s hope there’s some clarification forthcoming.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12,16,41],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1682","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-immigration-assimilation","category-labor-issues","category-pension-system"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1682","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1682"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1682\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1682"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1682"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.debito.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1682"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}