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Hi Blog. Here we have the Wall Street Journal up to its old tricks: Representing the “Expat” community’s attitudes towards Japan, doing “Japan Real Time” research that is essentially navel-gazing about Japan from a skyscraper window (or a computer screen, as it were).

Even though the reporter, Sarah Berlow, parrots much of the net-researched stuff (courtesy of the GOJ, sharing the same blinkered viewpoint of life in Japan for NJ residents) accurately, check this bit out:

“New residents will instead be given a “residence card” similar to the ones Japanese citizens carry, except for a special marking designating the holder’s nationality.”

Err… wrong. Japanese citizens have no residence cards to carry, as we’ve discussed here on Debito.org for years. This fact has long seeped into the consciousness of people who ACTUALLY live here, as one of the WSJ commenters duly notes:

There is no such residence card for Japanese nationals. Japanese citizens usually use drivers licences, health insurance cards or passports for ID if necessary. They most certainly are not issued with these or similar residency-based cards currently, I am aware of no plans to do so, and there is no compulsory carrying of ID required for Japanese citizens (except to enter an airport). The previous system required non-Japanese to carry a credit card-sized ID card at all times (subject to penalty if not carried) and will still do so. Japanese citizens do not have to carry ID and will still not be required to do so.
Source for comments relating to requirements for resident non-Japanese :
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/newimmiact/q_a_details1_english.html , especially under Q1-9

And how about this: “These new changes come as the government attempts to increase this number [of foreigners entering Japan], to an “era of 25 million foreign visitors to Japan” by 2020, a goal established in 2011.”

Err… foreign tourists never had to carry Gaijin Cards in the first place (only people who had to register with residency visas of three months and up), so these changes have no connection and will have no effect. Does Ms. Berlow even have a residency visa in Japan so she might know about this from personal experience?  If not, there are whole books on this, ones so easy even the busy-getting-rich-off-their-Expat-packages-and-enjoying-their-Expat-Bubble-Enclaves Expats can read them (cf. HANDBOOK FOR NEWCOMERS, MIGRANTS, AND IMMIGRANTS), so bone up.

And there is no mention of the RIFD Gaijin Card Chipping for the new “Gaijin Residency Cards” only, something I’ve made a fuss about in the past.  Ms. Berlow uses the word “track” in regards to NJ within the article, which is appropriate, for reasons she probably didn’t research enough to anticipate.  RFID enables remote tracking of people’s credit card numbers, to begin with.

http://www.businessinsider.com/watch-this-is-how-easy-it-is-for-thieves-to-steal-everything-in-your-wallet-2012-5

And with technological advances, as I’ve argued before, it is only a matter of time and degree before it’s capable at long distances — if it’s not already. Don your tinfoil hats, but RFID technology is already being used in military drone guidance systems for long-distance precision targeting. You think the GOJ’s going to abdicate its wet-dream ability to keep physical track of potential foreign “illegal overstayers”, now that it has the ability to RFID chip every foreign resident from now on? Oh well, the “Expats” need not worry. They’re not in Japan forever.

Finally, what’s the reason I’m jumping on the WSJ so much?  Because, as I’ve said, they’re up to their old tricks.  Don’t forget, it was the WSJ who first broke (and legitimized in English and Japanese) the story about the fictitious “Flyjin” Phenomenon, setting the agenda to tar the NJ who left (or worse, stayed for the stigma).  Thus the WSJ’s record of “spoiling things” for NJ in Japan is on par with what critics claim Debito.org does.  Sorry, we might not have their media reach or legitimacy, but at least we do better research here, for free.  That’s a deal even a non-“Expat” can afford.  Arudou Debito

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The Wall Street Journal May 7, 2012, 3:57 PM JST
Expats Say Goodbye to Gaijin Card
JAPAN REAL TIME HOME PAGE
By Sarah Berlow Courtesy of TS
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/05/07/expats-say-goodbye-to-gaijin-card/

This summer marks the end of an era for foreigners residing in Japan. Starting July 9, the 60-year-old “certificate of alien registration” — the credit-card sized i.d. informally known as “the gaijin card” — will go the way of yakiimo carts, weekly Astroboy broadcasts, and uniformed men punching train tickets.

New residents will instead be given a “residence card” similar to the ones Japanese citizens carry, except for a special marking designating the holder’s nationality. It’s part of a series of amendments to Japanese immigration law designed to create a simpler system for the government, and a way for foreigners to feel, well, slightly less alien.

One main change: foreign residents and Japanese nationals can sign up with the government under the same resident registration system, rather than filing under separate categories, as currently required. That means foreigners generally can handle more of their bureaucratic needs only with their local municipal office, reducing the need to deal with immigration authorities. The new law is also designed to make life easier for Japanese with non-Japanese spouses. The entire family can be registered in one system, and the foreign spouse can be listed as the head of the family. Under current law, those families have to register under two different systems.

Another significant change: longer stay periods on certain visas. Some specialized workers, like engineers, can stay for up to five years instead of the current three; students can stay for up to four years and three months, up from the current maximum of two years and three months. Re-entry permits are being extended to five years from the current three years.

According to the Immigration Bureau of Japan, the new system will better track “the residency of foreign nationals residing in Japan for the mid-to long-term with resident status, and ensure greater convenience for those foreign nationals.”

The “gaijin card” was first created in 1952, and for many years included the holder’s fingerprint — a requirement that drew complaints from foreign residents who felt they were being treated as criminals. That feature was dropped by 1999.

The changes come as Japan faces a sharp drop in foreign residents, a trend prompted by the long recession, the reduction in financial jobs following the 2008 global financial crisis, and the rising cost of living due to the strong yen. Last year’s quake, tsunami, and nuclear accident didn’t do much to encourage foreigners to stay.

At the end of 2011, the number of registered foreigners in Japan had dropped by about 56,000 from 2010 to 2,078,480, the third consecutive decline, according to Japan’s Ministry of Justice.

The number of foreigners who entered Japan 2011 was 7.1 million down 24.4% from 2010. These new changes come as the government attempts to increase this number, to an “era of 25 million foreign visitors to Japan” by 2020, a goal established in 2011.

Read this post in Japanese/日本語訳はこちら≫

WSJ 2012/5/8 14:56
外国人登録制度、7月9日に廃止へ 60年の歴史に幕
http://jp.wsj.com/japanrealtime/blog/archives/11055/

今夏、日本に居住する外国人にとって1つの時代が終了する。過去60年間在留外国人の身分証明書として使用されてきた「外国人登録証明書」が7月9日に廃止される。

これまでの外国人登録証明書に代わり、今後、入管法上の在留資格をもって日本に中長期間在留する外国人である中期在留者には「在留カード」が交付されることになる。日本国民に交付されるのと同じようなカードだが、所有者の国籍を示していることが異なる。政府にとってより単純な制度の創設と在留外国人に対するある種の配慮を目指す一連の入管法改正の一部。

大きな違いは、外国人居住者と日本国民が、現行で義務付けられた異なるカテゴリーではなく、同様の住民基本台帳制度の下で登録できるようになる。これにより、外国人居住者には一般的に、市区町村でできる手続きの範囲が拡大し、入国管理局とのやり取りが減少することになる。また、新しい在留管理制度の導入により、外国人と結婚している日本人にとっても利便性が高まる見込みだ。家族全員が1つの制度の下での手続きが可能になる上、外国人の配偶者も世帯主となり得る。現行法の下では、こうした家族は2つの異なる制度の下で登録する必要がある。

もう1つの著しい変更は、特定の査証に対する在留期間の延長だ。例えば、エンジニアといった一部の特別技能労働者は現行の3年から5年に、また学生は現行の2年3カ月から4年3カ月に在留期間が延長される。さらに、再入国許可についても、有効期間が現行の3年から5年に延ばされる。

法務省入国管理局は、新しい在留管理制度の導入により、「在留状況をこれまで以上に正確に把握できるようになる」とともに、「適法に在留する外国人の方々に対する利便性を向上する措置も可能になる」と説明している。

中長期在留者が所持する外国人登録証明書は1952年に導入され、長年にわたり、指紋押捺制度を伴うものだった。指紋押捺は1999年までに廃止された。

長期に及ぶリセッション(景気後退)や2008年の世界金融危機に伴う金融関連職の減少、円高による生活費の上昇などを背景に、日本の外国人居住者数は大幅減少に直面している。また、昨年の東日本大震災とそれに伴う福島第1原発事故の影響も考えられる。

法務省によると、2011年末時点での在留資格別外国人登録者総数は前年から約5万6000人減少し、207万8480人となった。減少は3年連続。

11年の訪日外国人数は710万人と、前年比24.4%減少した。一方、政府は訪日外国人を2020年までに2500万人に増加させるという目標を掲げている。

記者:Sarah Berlow
ENDS

64 comments on “WSJ: “‘Expats’ Say Goodbye to Gaijin Card”, needs more research beyond “Expat” conceits

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  • @anonymous:

    No, that second comment was simply meant for the people who raise this argument, that until the Japanese government catches every Japanese who is in arrears, then they themselves shouldn’t have to pay. It ignores the alternative, which is to enroll, and then face the Japanese collection efforts in whatever strength they may be.

    When people talk about discrimination as a reason for non-enrollment, it’s a little silly. It’s not that the people don’t want to enroll, it’s that they don’t want to pay. But they set up the debate in such a way that they get to skip over what the Japanese themselves all have to do: enroll. In fact, I think the enrollment is based off the fact that they are on the residence registers. Now that NJ will be too, there you go.

    A couple of people sent comments to my own webpage about their not being contacted by NHI yet. That’s not my point. The fact that they are naked when it comes to Japanese health insurance is a point that is going to be more apparent now, to certain ward or prefecture officials, than it was before. It will not be like it was before, because now different players have the pressure on them when your columns register zeros.

    Everyone discounts the possibility that there will just be a mass registration of every foreigner who isn’t on the books.

  • Anonymous says:

    Well, Hoofin, you wrote, “I keep urging people to sign-up for these, even if you don’t pay them.”

    http://hoofin.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/does-the-new-japanese-residence-card-for-foreigners-contain-information-about-pension-and-health-insurance/

    To me, that seems akin to telling someone “Sign up for a social security number, even if you don’t pay.”
    And that just seems that you’re ironically equal to your analogy of a Japanese giving such advice online.
    And it seems HIGHLY ironic that a few days ago you said people giving such advice online should face penalties.

    “Merely signing-up” for kokuho+kokunen results in immigration seeing “enrolled” on the kari-juuminhyou.
    “Merely signing-up” results in visa-renewal, since immigration does not require a document proving payment.
    “Merely signing-up” fools immigration’s visa-renewal enforcement system, which we have been discussing here.

    Again, for those just joining the discussion, if you simply want to get your visa renewed, here’s the summary:

    On the kari-juuminhyou, people not enrolled in anything will appear like people enrolled in shakai-hoken: all blank.
    On the kari-juuminhyou, people who “are enrolled in kokuho but not in kokunen” will be clearly shown as illegal.
    On the kari-juuminhyou, people who “are enrolled in kokunen but not in kokuho” will be clearly shown as illegal.

    So, for now, until immigration writes a new “guideline”, those not enrolled in anything at all won’t be noticed.
    Ironically, people who are enrolled halfway (i.e. JUST kokuho, or JUST kokunen) will probably be strong-armed.
    If/when immigration strong-arms you by saying “Enroll 100% before we consider your application” then just enroll.
    What we have been forgetting, until Hoofin kindly pointed it out, is that enrollment can be done without payment.
    You can simply go sign-up for kokuho+kokunen and make a “payment-plan-PROMISE” about the 2-years-back-payments.

    Of course, if immigration ever starts requiring proof of PAYMENT: then of course we will have to pay, with interest.

    So, obviously, to minimize the total amount owed, one should NOT sign-up until immigration strong-arms you.

    That’s where your advice is slightly flawed, Hoofin, you wrote “Enroll now, to be on the right side of the divide.”
    Enrolling earlier than needed means paying more than needed. Why enroll 3 years early? Logically, one should wait.
    Japan isn’t giving out any rewards or kudos to gaijin who enroll early, no rewards or kudos for payment either.

    Now here’s a question many readers will be interested in, “Does the kokuho+kokunen clock stop when you leave Japan?”

    Hoofin, you diligently enrolled and paid kokuho+kokunen, then IBM Japan’s illegal-termination forced you home, right?
    Well, if you were to telephone the kokuho section and the kokunen section today, I think you would be very surprised.

    My hypothesis is that they will say, “Even though you are no longer receiving our invoices, the clock is still running.”
    Meaning, once you have enrolled in kokuho+kokunen, you aren’t allowed to “opt out for a year or two back in America.”
    Probably they will say, “Hoofin-san, you left Japan BUT the bills here are continuing to grow, with compound interest!”

    I would like to be wrong about this. Can you Hoofin, or another “moved out of Japan” person, confirm or disprove this fear?

  • @anonymous

    You are right that IBM Japan’s illegal termination (by not honoring the Cognos March 7, 2008 contract) forced me back to America.

    However, when I left Japan, my status of residence in Japan also disappeared. Japan could only bill me up to December 20, 2010.

    Clearly, by the US-Japan totalization agreement, I could not be subject to both national pension in Japan and U.S. social security at the same time. I pay social security here.

    I just want to re-emphasize that I believe people should enroll AND pay. But the “pay” part is the one that is mostly the controversy with people who don’t do both. IF they don’t pay, they should at least ENROLL. This way, if they are in a situation where the employer is denying them Shakai, it won’t be because they haven’t done their thing.

    I presented my Blue Book to my major employers in Japan; where they enrolled people in general, I was also enrolled. Obviously, I also paid.

  • Anonymous says:

    @Hoofin

    Thanks for explaining that.

    So you feel confident that the kokuho section stopped the clock on the day you departed Japan.
    And you feel confident that the kokunen section stopped the clock on the day you departed Japan.
    And clearly, you feel confident that the US-Japan totalization agreement makes them stop the clock.
    The assumption you are making is: that upon your departure both sections received orders to stop the clock.
    The assumption is: there is a process in place, delivering information from immigration to those two sections.

    Well guess what, I just called the kokuho section right now, and they explained the situation is just as I feared.
    The kokuho section and the koknen section have ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of knowing that you have returned to America.
    Both sections have been KEEPING THE CLOCK RUNNING since you left on December 20, 2010, with compound interest.

    So, my hypothesis was correct, you have 2 big growing unpaid bills waiting for you back here in Japan Hoofin.
    But don’t worry, I also asked how you can clear it up: you simply must send them a copy of your passport’s departure stamp.

    So anyone who has turned in your ARC at the airport, if you were in Kokuho, if you were in Kokunen, you are STILL enrolled!
    To actually un-enroll yourself from Kokuho + Kokunen, you have to send them a copy of your passport’s departure stamp.

    Now get ready for this folks, I just now called the Shimin-ka, the section that will handle our juuminhyous from July.
    If the Shimin-ka manager I just now spoke with is telling the truth, we have 3 surprising things to be happy about.

    #1 That “check for mistakes” version was titled “kari-juuminhyou”, but from July there will be no “kari” appellation.
    We will be receiving REAL juuminyous, from the REAL shimin-ka section, just like “REAL” Japanese receive.

    #2 That “check for mistakes” version entitled “kari-juuminhyou” included kokuho enrollment and kokunen enrollment info,
    but the real juuminhyous which we can have printed from July will NOT have the info printed. Thank goodness!
    Immigration will NOT be able to use our juuminhyous to see who is “enrolled in kokuho but not enrolled kokunen.”
    Immigration will NOT be able to use our juuminhyous to see who is “enrolled in kokunen but not enrolled kokuho.”
    That enrollment info printed on the “kari-juuminhyou” was a one-time occurrence, it won’t appear on our real juuminhyous.

    #3 That kokuho enrollment and kokunen enrollment info does NOT EVEN EXIST in the Shimin-ka database, amazingly.
    So how did the Shimin-ka manage to print those “kari-juuminhyous” which contained that information?
    The Shimin-ka manager says they did a one-time print which merged fields from the 3 separate databases.
    The Shimin-ka manager says only the people who received the “kari-juuminhyous” can see all that info together.
    The Shimin-ka manager says that his Shimin-ka section has NO way of seeing who is enrolled, neither Js nor NJs.
    The Shimin-ka has NOT been deputized to know who is enrolled (J nor NJ) thus can NOT print that on Juuminhyous (J nor NJ).

    Wonderful.

    PS – Hoofin, I applaud your good advice about “at least enrolling”, I understand you hope we’ll PAY too.
    And yes, enrolling in kokunen (with a mere promise to pay the 2 back-years) instantly gets you “the blue book.”
    And yes, placing “the blue book” on your company’s Jinji-bu manager’s desk will motivate him to enroll you in shakai-hoken.
    So yes, your advice in general is very good Hoofin, please forgive the fact I found one little thing to rib you about.
    I simply don’t think people telling people how to avoid paying pension should be penalized as accessories to crime. 🙂

    The reason is: people who don’t pay pension will simply not receive pension when they get old, so no victim.
    Governments illegally dip into pension funds, and then force the next generation to bailout that illegal dipping.
    The governments’ illegal dipping is the real reason why grandmas’ and grandpas’ pension money has disappeared.
    The governments try to hide this fact by talking about “Not enough young people” and “Not enough people paying.”

    Grandmas’ and grandpas’ money was supposed to have been diligently guarded, invested, and increased.
    Instead, each successive generation is forced to bailout the government who SPENT grandmas’ and grandpas’ money.
    Folks who don’t pay pension: don’t receive pension. No robbery. “No thanks Gov, we’ll save for OUR future OURSELVES.” 🙂

  • Hoofin, why cant we just use our own non Japanese insurance schemes? As we are leaving soon, and Japan does not want us to stay anyway!

    Why am I forced to “act Japanese” in terms of healthcare while I am here, and yet be excluded and othered in other areas? Maybe I just want to remain in my visiting western expat bubble as a result of previous slights,exclusions and othering (with no disrespect to pioneering settlers like Debito). I am here for the job, not the Japan experience.

    It has been discussed before but lets say I want to go to an English speaking clinic and see a British doctor due to “cultural differences” or preferences, or to discuss British health matters and systems on the NHS which a Japanese doctor would not know of, like the British Clinic in Shibuya, which does not accept Japanese insurance.

    Maybe I want to get quick fix antibiotics and not be forced to take the slower “herbal” remedies that some J doctors have pushed on me in their insisted clinging on to “national tradition.”

    If you call me a gaijin and a flyjin, I want that gaijin medical care.

    Why is there no freedom of choice? (Well, because the liberalization of this industry/market in Japan is a low priority for western/American gaiatsu, thats why!)

  • Well, although I don’t pay pension (I am enrolled because of some past employer) I get an ever-increasing bill each month. I don’t expect that to disappear when I leave. (My reasons for not paying are posted by others above.)

    However, I also called the city office and asked about Kokumin Kenko Hoken and they told me if I file a TENSHUTSU TODOKE (a ‘leaving the country notice’) then they will stop the requirements to pay for health insurance. I will be able to keep my PR status as long as I come back to renew my re-entry permit periodically.

    When I come back at some later date to take up residence again, I will not be hit with a running total, tallied from the day I left. My wife was informed by the pension desk that she can put a hold on her pension payments while she is away. In fact, she did that once already while we were out of Japan for a few years.

    So if you have PR status, you should consider keeping it even if you are leaving the country. It only takes a visit within the re-entry permit time designation (3 years now, and 5 years from this July.)

  • @ anonymous:

    You say about what I said:

    The assumption you are making is: that upon your departure both sections received orders to stop the clock.

    The assumption is: there is a process in place, delivering information from immigration to those two sections.

    No, no. Regardless of whether the local office has updated its records, the clock stops when you no longer have status of residence. Additionally, the totalization agreement governs for citizens of the respective totalizing countries.

    The Japan Pension Service knows that I am not in Japan anymore; so, really, I don’t worry about it.

    The local health insurance desk may still be billing, if they didn’t get my letter, but that’s not my problem. Without status of residence, I can’t be liable for the bill.

    Someone later in the thread mentions about PR. I was not PR. PR obviously means permanent resident. That means you’re a resident, even when you’re not physically there. That has its own set of issues about the national pension and health insurance.

    Your commentary seems to assume that somehow it’s “bad” to have the clock running in any event. Well, not necessarily. The older you are, the better a deal the employer pension (Shakai Hoken pension part) or even the national pension (kokumin nenkin) is. For someone 59 years, 11 months, than 15,100 yen payment comes back to them in less than 10 years. You can’t buy a life annuity where you get cash flow back in 9 1/4 years. Normally, it’s more like 20 or 25—especially in this era of very low interest rates. (You need more assets to generate the same amount of interest.)

    For people who are totally shirking the pension, you think it’s better to dodge as long as they can, because supposedly, there’s only the “mere promise to pay the 2 back-years”. That rule isn’t in stone. In some cases, it’s a matter of getting billed all the way back to the start of status of residence. The fact still remains that the sooner one obtains the Blue Book, the more likely it is that an employer can be held for the “mistake”, rather than the individual. If the ward office comes to you later, you can always say, “my employer should have done this!” and give the employer’s name.

    You seem to be really hung up about paying cash versus accruing a liability. If someone felt they were going to owe the IRS, the advice any good CPA would give would still be: file. You acknowledge the liability, and you work it out with the IRS. Similarly, with the Japan social insurances, people should at least enroll.

    Finally, you seem to think that dodging a national pension program means that no one gets hurt. Far from it. What usually happens is that that individual has to fall back on other government programs (like SSI here in America). They also caused wages to be bid down, because they underbid the people who were playing by the rules (both employers and employees).

    I’m sorry that you feel that making insinuations, and comments that I am saying something other than what I am, is the way to discuss the very real issues surrounding the fact that the Japanese are lax about making their various pension programs available to non-Japanese. I will be happy to follow up with you off-board if you think I am wrong about that.

  • @ Flyjin

    This is an old one. The British Clinic cannot offer or assure you the full range of services that the Japanese health system can. The people who run with the gap insurance know that there is an implicit backstop of their major medical liabilities with the Japanese health care system. In fact, the gap policies all insinuate that they won’t be on the hook for any major medical charges, and they all know to “advise” you to go run down to your ward office and enroll if it looks like you are going to be a big liability to them. In some cases, even, it’s been reported that the gap insurer will pay the arrearage, just to get you to onto someone else’s books.

    You can create all sorts of elegant stories for why the dodge should be permitted; but, in the end, it’s still a dodge.

  • Hoofin – Yes, not paying pension is ‘a dodge.’ I also don’t pay NHK. That’s a dodge, too. To be honest, half of my motivations are my desire to not pay anything more than I have to. (The other motivating factors are political.)

    I’m self-employed. I don’t have the big wings of a mother corporation to protect me from the rain. I have months of the year in which I my income puts me well below the poverty line. I don’t get any subsidies, and I have no ties to the bureaucracy like so many companies established in the industry.

    I’m not complaining, but I’m not too bashful to admit that I will cut corners when I can. And in the case of NHK and pension – I don’t feel a single shred of guilt because I have no voting power or say in how that money is used (or abused in the case of Japan.)

    However, Hoofin, you write, “The fact still remains that the sooner one obtains the Blue Book, the more likely it is that an employer can be held for the “mistake”, rather than the individual. If the ward office comes to you later, you can always say, “my employer should have done this!” and give the employer’s name.”

    Your self-righteous logic eludes me. You imply that dodging the pension is bad, and yet you would put the burden of back-payments on your employer? As a former employer, I find that reprehensible.

  • Hoofin, maybe I just do not trust Japanese doctors and hospitals and their “full” range of services? They never tell you directly if something is seriously wrong, maybe that is cultural. Also they removed a cancerous tumor which left a major scar as their modus operandi was old school; if I had had the operation in certain other countries there would have been far less of a scar.

    Japan is the country that did not allow birth control pills until comparatively recently. Still now, many drugs are not available “because they are too strong for Japanese bodies”. Well, maybe because some drugs I have been prescribed have been too weak to be effective.

    I went to three different Japanese hospitals a total of ten times over a 10 week period once for an arthritic-related condition. None of the doctors had a clue what was wrong, though they charged me of course, according to them “Your condition is rare in Japan though it may be common in your home country”

    So I rest my case: I do not trust Japanese doctors. Hey, its not “racist”, it is just “personal choice’! (Oh the irony). So kokumin Kenco Hoken is useless for me.

  • Anonymous says:

    Hoofin, your advice to Debito readers, in comment 57 above, is not so good.

    Problem #1
    You wrote, “The local health insurance desk may still be billing, if they didn’t get my letter, but that’s not my problem. Without status of residence, I can’t be liable for the bill.”

    So you sent some section a letter saying “I’m leaving soon”, or saying “I left recently”, but you didn’t call like I did, you didn’t realize that they need PROOF of departure, you didn’t realize that they need a COPY of the page in passport showing the DEPARTURE STAMP. I’ve explained to you that there is currently an ever-growing bill on their books in your name, you say “Not my problem.” You’re not going to officially stop the clock and officially clear that debt? What happened to your main thrust about “not doing things which make us gaikokujin look bad” and “being on the right side of the divide”? Right now, officially, on the books, until you send them the proof they need, you are “another delinquent gaikokujin who owes 18 months of unpaid health insurance plus compound interest.” Please Hoofin, send them the proof they need to stop the health clock and clear that debt which is a statistical embarrassment to gaikokujin.

    Problem #2
    You wrote, “Your commentary seems to assume that somehow it’s ‘bad’ to have the clock running in any event. Well, not necessarily. The older you are, the better a deal the employer pension (Shakai Hoken pension part) or even the national pension (kokumin nenkin) is. For someone 59 years, 11 months, than 15,100 yen payment comes back to them in less than 10 years.”

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. If your pension clock is still running, if the unpaid bills are still piling up on your name in that section too (meaning, you didn’t “pause” the pension payments with the TENSHUTSU TODOKE as nicely explained by Curious in comment 56) why are you now saying this is a good thing? Think it through Hoofin, as mentioned in Problem #1, you’re again making gaikokujin look bad by having this big unpaid bill in your Romaji name, AND this technique is NOT going to result in you “starting to receive pension payouts sooner”, because OBVIOUSLY those who haven’t paid their entire pension bill are NOT going to receive any pension payouts. Were you assuming that years from now, even though you have a huge unpaid bill because you do what was needed to didn’t stop the clock, you think they are just going to say “Well, it’s been 25 years since you enrolled, so here’s your first monthly payout, enjoy!” Of course not, they’re going to say “you have to pay those delinquent years FIRST, before you receive any payouts.”

    Problem #3
    You wrote, “Finally, you seem to think that dodging a national pension program means that no one gets hurt.”

    Wait a second Hoofin. I just realized something. After you were illegally-terminated by IBM Japan, you were jobless for over 6 months in Japan, correct? I know this because I tried to help you find a job. During that time, did you pay either shakai hoken or kokuho+kokunen? I think the answer is no, since you had no job you had no money to pay those final 6 months before leaving Japan. Are you assuming that you didn’t have to pay that since you were unemployed? Once you ENROLL, you have to pay, even when jobless. So looking at Problem #1 above (an unpaid bill for Health that has been piling up AFTER you left) and looking at Problem #2 above (an unpaid bill for Pension that has been piling up AFTER you left) we have this heretofore unmentioned Problem #3 (unpaid bills for both Health and Pension that occurred even BEFORE you left.)

    The reason I am saying all this Hoofin, is because people take your advice, so you need to be giving correct advice, and because you are so harsh on people who don’t enroll, so you should be equally harsh on yourself for being, on the books, SOMEONE WHO ISN’T PAYING THEIR BILLS.

    — Let’s draw this debate to a close soon.

  • It’s like I said in #57:

    I will be happy to follow up with you off-board if you think I am wrong about that.

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